A pre-measured homemade scoop can be used to greatly speed up filling cases. In .45 200 grain SWCs, it is the same for either powder. of Unique. It makes a dandy small game load. That primarily means the original black powder rounds such as .38 Special, .38-40, .44 Special, .44-40 and .45 Colt. In the chart of relative burn rates in the rear of Lyman’s Cast Bullet Handbook, 4th Edition, Trail Boss is listed as 15th of 128 powders. That places it almost midway between Hodgdon’s Titegroup at 9th and Winchester 231 at 21st. I ordered a set of Lee carbide reloading dies for the .38 S&W and found them to be quite similar to other dies I had, as the sizing die is marked “.38 Auto.” This older .38 S&W uses the same sizing die as the .38 Super! New "Trail Boss" Smokeless Powder from IMR. Designed for Cowboy Action Shooting, Trail Boss has proven to be a great way to get more practice with your big bore hunting rifle. I use Trail Boss with lead and plated bullets in 38 Special, 44 Special and 45 ACP for use in revolvers. ♦ Pistol Smokeless Powder. i use 8.5 to 8.8 grains, which, fortuneately, fills the case up to about the base of a typical 250gr bullet so that it is easy to see the powder level in the case. Lee Load Master Progressive Press Kit .38 Special & .357 Magnum https://amzn.to/3F9flqp LEE PRECISION .38 Special Carbide 3-Die Set https://amzn.to/32ZvikV LEE PRECISION Roller Handle https://amzn.to/3ndh9YH Lyman Ammo Checker https://amzn.to/2ZEnYcx Frankford Arsenal DS-750 Digital Reloading Scale https://amzn.to/3sX6EMy eBay powered by Cheerios! and 2 lb. It provides superior performance in the old .38 Special too. Using bullets from Cast LRNFP, Hornady XTP, MEI Cast LRNFP, Hornady Cowboy, Speer JHP, Hornady LHBWC, Cast LSWC, MEI Cast LSWC, Sierra JHC. Ugly? In fact the 38 Special one of the most popular chambers around. i shot some trail boss in my 38 with 150 grain bullets. vel. The Mid-Range was not a conventional Colt 1911. I loaded up some 38s with 5 grains of TB. It nearly filled the case. Is this the way it should be? I have never used it in a 38. This load is not f... Any of the start loads for the powder you have. SWC, 240 gr. It's soft-recoiling and very accurate in all of my non-snub S&W revolvers. Robert Frost. But, moonclipped 357 cases are long and dont drop into a cylinder as easily and as fast as 38 Special cases do. Key is its high loading density which means you can fill the case. rmrix posted this 17 April 2012. ~ handloadingnotebook. less to start.) The high load density of Trail Boss will make it very easy to visualize in a case and powder sensors will work more efficiently. It's soft-recoiling and very accurate in all of my non-snub S&W revolvers. I saw the Trail Boss data for reduced loads in the newer Hodgdon manual and called Hodgdon to inquire about it's use with jacketed bullets in pistol calibers. Re: Trail Boss powder in the .45 ACP. Use 38 Short Colt load data. 231, start 3.4 grs for 693 fps max 5.1 for 986 fps. Load manuals often advise against downloading .38 Special jacketed loads to prevent squibs, especially the 110 and 125 grain bullets. Dec 19, 2018. This is about a 850 FPS load. According to serial number, it was manufactured around 1982. Agree Cartridge Loads Pistol 38 special choose. The smaller case-capacity means better performance with light loads, which is why I am interested in it. R. Navies being a basically weak frame, I light load the .38 round with only a 104 gr bullet and 3.2 gr of Trail Boss powder. Red Dot, start 3.3 grs for 749 fps max 4.6 for 974 fps. Or a Google search for Cowboy Action load data or Trail Boss loads. Pretty happy so far with all 3 calibers tried with it. Buy a bag of 38 S&W brass and a 38 S&W crimp die. 38 Special 77 GR. Reload them as normal in your Special dies. With this kit you can reload .38 special, .38 special +p, and .357 magnum. Does anybody have a pet load using Trail Trail Boss Load for 38 Special - The Curio and Relic Firearms Forum. It made a good little “bunny fart” load that didn’t hurt her hands from the recoil. CAST LSWC Starting Loads - 3.2 grains - 815 fps - 11,500 CUP Maximum Loads - 3.8 grains - 920 fps - 15,400 CUP C.O.L. It is primarily a pistol powder but has some application in rifles. When the wife and I were shooting mostly 38 Special, I reloaded a lot of rounds for her with Trail Boss. Note, DO NOT compress Trail Boss. Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. About Special Data 38 Load Hodgdon . rmrix posted this 17 April 2012. Trying out the the lightest published load data that I could find for the .38 Special with 148 grain wad cutter bullets and IMR Trail Boss powder. But under no circumstances should Trail Boss be compressed. HP, .44 with 225 gr. I would definitely start off with a light .38 special load and work from there. Hodgdon Powder offers the largest selection of quality smokeless propellants for any reloading application.. Hodgdon HP38 is a spherical powder that is great for low velocity and mid-range target loads in the .38 Special, .44 Special, and 45 ACP. Powdered graphite is also a good idea to lubricate the cylinder for resizing brass. I use the same Lee Dipper for my Hunting load (20.5 H-110) as for my practice (6.5 Trail Boss) for .41 mag. Trail boss, Universal, or Tite Group. I know nothing about load data for 38 Spl and Trail Boss, but I do know Brian Enos forums has a ton of shooters, so try this search in Google and maybe it will point you in the right direction. It is my unqualified recommendation for the best first powder to try when getting into reloading handguns (ideally a popular revolver cartridge). Trail Boss is soft as well but was a little dirty and smokey. (Min. 38 trail boss load data site: www.brianenos.com. Those soft reloads give me pause about using it for 9mm. (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.) Load up some Low Recoil handloads. It is on the Hodgdon site, maybe not the bullet u have. Select .38 special and go to the far right for powders. Scroll down and select Trail Boss and you will the various loads by bullet type. PLYCS ARX Load Data. But it has features you will never outgrow. $ 42. container. Reload them as normal in your Special dies. 38-55 1894 Winchester Rifle (26") Winchester cases Old West 265grn PB in Range Scrap any primer 6.8 grains of Trail Boss. Longshot is the high velocity pistol choice in 38 Super, 40 S&W, and 357 SIG at lower than usual operating pressures. In a heavy gun like a GP-100, a light .38 special round would be like a spitball. My .38 special loads all are put in .357 cases. Lyman 49 lists a cast 120 grs bullet in 38 Special with some light loads. Most of us use .38 Special loads. JHP. Trail Boss was developed for the Cowboy Action crown for use in the .38 Special, 45 Colt and any other cartridge they shoot. At 750 fps, this is an accurate bullet. This pretty much eliminates double charges, making it harder for you to blow up your new Colt. In fact, “The Speer Bullets Reloading Manual No. Minnesota. Hodgdon does have data for Trail Boss in very light loads for .38-55, .40-65 and .45-70. Yesterday I tested several different loads in the S&W .41 Mag. Once the press was setup, it was smooth sailing and fast loading. Starting Loads 30,600 PSI 39,100 CUP As noted in the powder description section, Trail Boss was designed primarily for reduced loads using lead bullets in pistol cartridges. I size the boolits at .358 and use a homemade lube. LSWC. It had very little recoil and it was very clean. thanks. I ordered 125gr Berry's Flat Point and 158gr Suters LSWC. Reactions: snoop and Gulfcowboy. The 38 special on the other hand, is ammo I can spend fun time creating anytime I want to and then go shoot it when I want to! Bullets are .357″ for jacketed and .358″ for lead in diameter. I shoot a 105 grain .38 special. At 3.0 grains I had problems. Upped it to 4.0 grains and now my only problem is accuracy. Ohiocopperhead said: I am in the process of getting set up for reloading. The .357 Magnum chambering is the most popular chambering in modern replica single-action revolvers. increases from min. They are just the "correct load" of that powder to use when loading down magnum handgun ammo. According to IMR, Trail Boss is a new technology smokeless powder developed exclusively for use with lead bullets at low velocity. My 44 mag Trail boss load with cast 240 gr bullets is 6.0 gr., this is a great youth load and fun for plinking but I do not think it is sub sonic, It is quite a bit louder than the .38 special load I listed above. November 22, 2020. My loads may not be right for your bullets/case if … Only show this user. 900 fps and 1” at 50yards. However, Trail Boss offers superb versatility in rifle cartridges producing reduced loads using lead or jacketed bullets. Up close, any of the 148 gr. Due to its very low weight/volume ratio not sure it would be appropriate in that load combination. 38 brass 4.2grs with a cci gives 770fps and 3.5grs with a … The unique appearance of Trail Boss will make it impossible to mistake it for any other product. It doubles as an excellent pistol target powder for such cartridges as the 38 Special and 45 ACP and many more. May 27, 2009, 2:54 am. The 3.3 grain load shot a ragged hole at 30 feet. i shot 3.5 grains in the 150 grains. What HK said! Laz The top of its barrel did not have locking lugs to engage in the slide and the toggle beneath the barrel did not pull the rear of the barrel down. I have had a great deal of success using Winchester 231, Alliant Bullseye and Unique powders for reloading .38 Special. I’m curious to try Trail Boss in other cartridges like 38 Special where the same issues of load density and safety are inherent. #7. The .38 Special factory loads include a (1) standard 158-grain RN, (2) U.S. military 130-grain FMJ and a (3) .38 Special 200-grain RN. My "regular" load of Trail Boss is 4.2 grs with a 158 gr lead SWC. SWC-JHP, .44 with 250 gr. Dec 19, 2018. The Hodgdon Load Data Site has plenty of load data for Trail Boss. Product not registered. containers. Word to the wise: all handgun cartridges (with the likely exception of .44 Magnum and maybe even .357 Magnum) are “underpowered” for self-defense. lead bullet at muzzle velocities of 600-650 fps from a 4″ barrel. I have not tried Clays for pistol yet. any ideas would be helpful. The .38 Spec. A full case is central to my "Thor-ology". Look at the Hodgdon's reloading center and look at the .38 Special Cowboy Action load data. Additionally, all you need to start using this kit is a hard plastic, leather, or wooden mallet. The load comes out of the Hodgon's manual for a 125 grain bullet. It is hot but not max. 3.5 gr or so of HP38 with 148 WC was always a … load is 4 1/2 Gr. Hey, folks, remember, no load information on the Wire! Laz pressures. I'll be loading with a Pro Auto Disk and Lee Classic Turret. brass loaded with 5.0 gr. The winning combination of a 38 Special case is why. Sep 27, 2012. The factory loads feature a 145- to 146-gr. using a 215 grain cast SWC and Trail Boss Powder in 1/2 gr. I have plenty of brass from being a scrounger all my life and so for me the cost is only wrapped up in the powder, lead and primers. Here's a load my shooting buddy developed. 9 ounces of Trail Boss at 3 grain loads gives me just over 1300 rounds. Secondary is the 158 grain FRN cowboy bullet over Trail Boss. 700X, start 2.5 grs for 647 fps max 3.9 for 940 fps. Oct 2, 2016. flat round nose, if they'll possibly be shot out of a Marlin 1894 rifle. This load is about 150 fps faster than the original .38 Special loading, plus the flat nose bullets are certainly more efficient than the original round nosed. load 1s 6 1/2 Gr.). This was shot in both .38 Special and .357 Magnum guns. I got to test the trail boss loads this past weekend. Those soft reloads give me pause about using it for 9mm. However, pressures skyrocket from a double charge of the latter. My S&W 66 with a four inch barrel shot best with 3.3 grains of trail boss with 158 gr. to case size for subsonic loads. 38 Special Wadcutters. If there is only ONE load, it is MAX. That load has become one of my favorite .38spl "plinking" loads. Many people tend to poo-poo .38 Special (standard pressure) for self-defense as being somehow “underpowered”. At 5 grains, it felt less recoil than a warm .38 Special. Here's a load my shooting buddy developed. If you truly want to load the ACP-length case, though, look into getting an accessory .45 ACP cylinder .fitted to your gun. Most DNR (Do Not Reduce) loads are well over 900-fps. Michael Rix :thumbsup: HODGDON #T75050 Hodgdon Tripe 7 Pellets 50CAL 50GR 100CT #T75050 . Need load data for Titegroup and Trail Boss for 38 S&W (NOT 38 Special) Howdy Pards Note that the caliber of interest is the 38 S&W (not 38 Special) and the pistol used is a WWII Smith & Wesson model made for the British, hence 38 S&W. The other popular .38 semiauto of the era was the Colt M1911 Gold Cup National Match .38 Special Mid-Range, which also began production in 1961. yadda yadda..... cuddn't hep it! yu gotta tell a story to get around it,,,, like, I was a trail boss wunce, had three cowboys but thit twernt enuff... For a little hotter, but still pleasant load equal to about 38+P levels (900 FPS), I switch over to W231. It made a good little “bunny fart” load that didn’t hurt her hands from the recoil. At 750 fps, this is an accurate bullet. I reload .38 Spl as I have a couple Uberti Navy .36’s with the Richards-Mason conversions that Howell does, up in Wisconsin. It’s best to shoot all lead bullets outside to avoid lead fumes. Titegroup has a sharper recoil than Clays and is dirty. Good? Most of us use .38 Special loads. I really liked it for .45 Colt and recommend it heartily. - 1.455" 158 GR. #358477 and the 170-gr. It announced a new powder named Trail Boss, intended specifically for reloading cowboy action loads. Trail boss 38 Special 110gr and 158gr Keith bullets from Arsenal Molds and Lee Molds. Might try a few different powders down the road if this one doesnt perform as expected. Case: Starline Twist: 1:18.750" Primer: Winchester Small Pistol Barrel Length: 7.700" Trim Length 1.145" Most of us just chopped off 357 brass at 38 Special length, added some slow burning powder and a 158-180 gn bullet. Lee Load Master Progressive Press Kit .38 Special & .357 Magnum https://amzn.to/3F9flqp LEE PRECISION .38 Special Carbide 3-Die Set https://amzn.to/32ZvikV LEE PRECISION Roller Handle https://amzn.to/3ndh9YH Lyman Ammo Checker https://amzn.to/2ZEnYcx Frankford Arsenal DS-750 Digital Reloading Scale https://amzn.to/3sX6EMy eBay I haven't used it on .38s simply because I only load black powder and substitutes now. Except for the very high pressures it is a good powder. Available in 9 oz. Trail Boss is great gunpowder, but I have not had good luck with using it for .38 Special reloads with projectiles lighter than 158g. Most everyone was using a 8 shot S&W N Frame. If you break the little donuts you will change the burn rate and pressures can and will spike. Channel: Trail Boss Load for 38 Special Viewing all articles Browse latest Browse all 14 Re: Trail Boss Load for 38 Special . it did very well. .38 Special (Hodgdon Pistol Data) reloading data with 296 loads. Lots of it was for plinking, some for cottontails, a bunch for snakes and turtles on the river and loads of it for rats at the local dump. ($19/1300=.015). In a heavy gun like a GP-100, a light .38 special round would be like a spitball. Dies are Lee … LSWC over a standard primer in good .38 Spec. Video Player is loading. Trail Boss reloads are very mild and easy to shoot. This load will be safe in pretty much any caliber according to the info on their website. PLYCS ARX Load Data. I’ve loaded 500 S&W Magnum on three presses now, including a turret, and I’ll have to say progressive loading is FAST! Yes, safety first, and I'll let IMR do the testing, but I suspect Trail Boss may prove to have many applications. So does the same charge weight — not volume — of W231. 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